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    Post  Admin Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:55 pm

    Paged: You were paged to a frequent residence for a male pt in his 30’s complaining of difficulty breathing. As you are responding you’re slightly confused, because usually you are responding for an older female.


    As you arrive on scene you find a male pt sitting in a chair. Pt was sitting in a chair breathing very deep and rapidly. Pt would not talk to you. He would just simply nod his head yes or no. The mother states that he was in the emergency room earlier in the day because of an upper airway infection. She also hands you some papers they received at the emergency room. As you review the paperwork you notice that these very papers are dismissal instructions for anxiety attacks. After reviewing this you feel that it has helped narrow down your differential Dx drastically.



    Hx: (given by mother)

    Diabetes- insulin dependent. (non compliant)

    Obese
    And recently dismissed with a panic attack.

    You and your partner decide to have pt walk to the unit due to the size of the pt and the fire department is not present. He obviously is dizzy when he stands up and walks although he was able to ambulate to the unit. Once in the unit you began vital signs and further detailed assessment.

    Assessment: Airway was patient, No inflammation noted. Breathing: Deep and rapid. HEENT: Normal, Slightly diaphoretic, Eyes/Ears normal. Neck: No jvd, tracheal deviation, or Sub-q. Chest: CBBS, Denies pain. Abd: Soft non-tender, no pain. Pelv: intact. Exts: normal, Dnv’s intact x4. Pt denies any extremity spasms or cramping.

    Vitals:
    Sp02 – 100%
    RR- 50
    B/P- 190/110
    HR- 140
    Monitor- Sinus Tach
    Accu Check- 393 mg/dl

    What is your differential dx for the field?
    What would your treatment consist of?
    Or maybe you want more info?
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    Post  RodgerLong Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:06 am

    You said it was a frequent address for mom. Have we ever hauled him before for being non complient with his insulin?

    Kussmaul or just rapid? Any smell from his breath?
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    Post  Admin Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:11 am

    rlong wrote:You said it was a frequent address for mom. Have we ever hauled him before for being non complient with his insulin?

    Kussmaul or just rapid? Any smell from his breath?


    There was no smell of keytones on the pt. You do not ever recall hauling him in the past.
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    Post  charrison22 Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:06 pm

    Wouldn't most of the pt issues stem back to the upper resipratory infection. Being a diabetic and having an infection will fluctuate glucose levels more than in a pt without diabetes; would that explain the non-ketone smell? The pt being non-compliant with his insulin also presents the issue of hyperglycemia with the respiratory rate of 50; he could be well on his way to ketoacidosis just early in dx.

    Is the pt febrile? What is his blood sugar normally?
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    Post  Admin Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:24 pm



    What is your differential dx for the field? 1. Exacerbation of the respiratory infection 2. HHNC 3. PE?

    What would your treatment consist of? O2 as needed, IV large bore with a 500 cc bolus minimum, ECG with 12 lead bilateral BP's. Prompt transport to ER.

    Or maybe you want more info? I would really like more information based on medications that the older female takes and whether he could have taken some. Is it possible he is using illicit medications (meth?, speed?, PCP?).What is the old ladies history?

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    Post  Admin Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:27 pm

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